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- Hide Preview | 4 Comments | submitted about a year ago by WelpStormrage [Post Locked]

So I came across this article today:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/04/16/why-far-right-nationalists-like-steve-bannon-have-embraced-russian-ideologue/?noredirect=on&utm\_term=.c77d47599e0f

Now the author is correct that the Dug has fingers in many nationalist pies, this is in Russia's interests of course. Unfortunately, he is wrong about everything to do with his beliefs and I am in the mood to unpack this a bit.

His Eurasianist ideology is grounded in a fundamentalist religious nationalism that seeks to create a Christian empire that unites Europe and Asia in a quest to restore a “traditionalism” rooted in conservative Orthodox Christian values and white supremacy.

Eurasianism and 4pt have nothing to do with nationalism, which is totally hostile to imperialism. Dugin is also hostile to any supremacy as one pillar of his worldview is Rene Guenon's pluralist vision of world religions/Traditions.

In his writings, too, Dugin idealizes a fictional version of the Middle Ages, one that stands in stark contrast to the modern world and liberalism, which he rejects.

This is where things go wrong for the author.

He looks to Rome as the empire to which Eurasia needs to return, an alternative to the liberal modernity of today. He praises Constantine for founding a Christian Roman Empire and calls for a “Third Rome,” believing that the Roman Empire and its medieval European successor are the best models for combating liberal modernity.

"Third Rome" was a Russian Orthodox Christian political concept made famous by the Russian monk Filofey of Pskov in 1510. It is an original Russian medieval concept, not a fiction conceived or called for by Dugin. Dugin only draws on this concept and its place in Russian Orthodox conceptions of Empire. This is has nothing to do with " white nationalism" (- really? 16th century white nationalism?). Third Rome means that the Russian Empire has become the katehon - restrainer of antichrist (2 Thessalonians 2:6-7), a concept of St Paul.

The problem? This is a historical fabrication. Both the Roman Empireand Middle Ages Europe were, in fact, extremely diverse — racially and otherwise — because both included cultures beyond the limited scope of Western Europe.

Dugin wants multiethnic empires that fill "great spaces". This is not so different to having a multiethnic, but primarily Germanic Holy Roman Empire, or Austro-Hungarian Empire. This is nothing to do with "white nationalism". Many of the alt-right have already come to the position that this is what is needed. It is not enough for the French to protect the French, the English the English etc. Our problems are much bigger than this and they require European solidarity. Dugin has a similar perspective but applies it to Eurasia and non-white races so, again, totally contrary to white supremacy.

In his view, the Middle Ages are the high point of this type of religiosity, a time when there was a unified Christianity under an all-encompassing church. But that never actually happened...

I'm sorry, yes it did happen. There was only One Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church prior to the Great Schism on 1054. The Early Medieval Period had a Church that was, for the most part, unified. This is a pseudo-argument as those who question "what is white?" make. Just because there were a few heretics does not mean that the Church was not unified.

Yet his notions have little to do with the actual Middle Ages. Rather than a historically accurate portrayal of the complex period, he cobbles together the bits of the Middle Ages that best suit his political philosophy. Ironically, for all of Dugin’s disdain for modernity, his views are modern at their core because they are rooted in 18th- and 19th-century constructions of nationalism.

Dugin numerous times accepts modern scholars who point out that nationalism is a bourgeois modern political construct. It gained ground in the French Revolution 1789 and European wide 1848 bourgeois revolutions. This has nothing to do with biological or phenomenological ethnicity which has existed as long as man has existed. It was the peasantry/farmers who were most clearly ethnic and created folk customs, while high culture was more the realm of the Church. Dugin wants to restore the Indo-European trifunctional structure as it is interpreted in the Orthodox Christian doctrine of the Symphony of Powers. Orthodox political ideology can still be found in the Moscow Patriarchate's document The Basis of the Social Concept:

https://mospat.ru/en/documents/social-concepts/

Now there are big problems with Dugin, and he mixes a lot of bullshit in with the gold he puts out. He does this intentionally because he doesn't really want the West to get back on its feet. He is also excommunicated and condemned by the Moscow Patriarchate for wanting to mix Islam and Christianity and create a bunch of syncretic bullshit.

Unfortunately, the author of this article missed all the true critiques and put out a bunch of rubbish.

Welp!

[-] Germanic_Yeoman 2 Points about a year ago

Well stated.

[-] TheChocolateFash 2 Points about a year ago

The left's hyperfocus on white identity causes them to miss a lot of things. Whiteness and Christianity are probably just window dressing for geopolitical aims. Dugin's Eurasianism is really a way to counterbalance the liberal, globalist West with a more authoritarian East. He knows Russia can't do it alone, so he needs all of Eurasia.

This is fine by me. The biggest threat to the liberal world order is not actually white supremacists in the west, it's the rest of the non-white world that doesn't really believe in liberal values, which is a LOT more people. Myself included.

[-] WelpStormrage 2 Points about a year ago

Indeed, the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation is one of the bigger counterbalances to the West.

This is fine by me. The biggest threat to the liberal world order is not actually white supremacists in the west, it's the rest of the non-white world that doesn't really believe in liberal values, which is a LOT more people. Myself included.

Unfortunately, this is not necessarily a whitepill for white advocates as our people will still be in a precarious position. All the propaganda blaming whites for all the world's ills (+our legitimately bad history) means non-whites will still hate us.

[-] crnislshr 0 Points about a year ago

However, if you look for Russian alt-right, it makes sense to look not at Dugin, but at https://sputnikipogrom.com, for example.