I've noticed over the years that married women tend to gather together and trash their husbands to each other. Why? What is the payoff for them? It seems counter-intuitive that it would be seen as a positive for them to say bad things about their own spouse.
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Pushnikov 10y ago
Women work differently than men in a few critical ways that are hard to grasp as a dude.
Primarily, in this case...
1 Women are Socially Competitive, Status Cooperative
2 Men are Socially Cooperative, Status Competitive
In other words, women want to fight for social status amongst each other, while in terms of "who is the woman who can command the others", they are cooperative. They don't see any woman as more qualified to lead than others (instinctively, or only very selectively).
Men, on the other hand, are Socially cooperative. They will hunt, play games, and do cooperative things together. However, when it comes to who is the "better man" and has the "right to give orders", it becomes very competitive and hierarchical.
Because women are socially competitive, they are going to attack each other and their "men" behind their back in order to reduce their social value. Basically, social competition isn't about a fair fight. It's about how others perceive each other socially. You can still be the "Big Dog" status wise, but socially you can be attacked. In their minds, they think they can "level" out the Status competition to where they are happy (everyone is equal) by Social combat. It can work in their favor, but it's two different games being played, and it's why it looks stupid and petty to us. It's also why women watching men play status games looks petty to them.
In this case, they are trying to lower their mens STATUS to their level so they can compete socially with them. The Red Pill works on this principle - by competing SOCIALLY with women, you are being attractive.
30years 10y ago
Great, instructive comment. Thanks.
invisiblephrend 10y ago
to be fair, guys do this too. people need to vent. this could possibly happen with women whose husbands become accustomed to marriage and start distancing their communication and avoiding conflicts rather than settling them in a mature manner (blue pill me made this mistake). that's typically when they run off to have a gossip party.
protip: never trust your wife's friends. you wouldn't believe the bullshit mind games they can play with her to make you out to be something you're not in a relationship that they know nothing about, all for the sake of stroking their armchair psychologist egos. but for reasons i'm still trying to understand (feel free to help me on this) women will almost always side with their idiotic friends, even when their own dating lives are one catastrophic failure after the other. it ended my marriage for ALL the wrong reasons and i still emphatically hate them for it. the good news is that the worst offender of all died of cancer a couple years later. :)
RedBigMan 10y ago
Read The Manipulated Man.
Women only exist in the woman's world. By bagging on their man they're thinking they're improving their position in the eyes of her peers. So they all compare how 'useless' their husbands are and the like. So they all compete to see who has the most useless man :P
[deleted] 10y ago
It's their way of artificially keeping their SMV afloat...by lying to each other about how "lucky" their husbands are that they deign to remain in the marriage. I love it when they reenter the market to find their stock has crashed. Haha!
trpRX 10y ago
Birds of a feather...
I caught myself talking poorly about coworkers with other coworkers who were doing the same earlier this week. Its incredibly easy to be negative when everyone else is being negative. Also, woman love gossip, and everything being peachy at home is some boring ass gossip. With that said, finding a woman who is willing to go against the grain and say how wonderful her man is to a pack of negative woman is extremely unlikely.
IdleGod 10y ago
I noticed myself getting gossipy with the girls at work. Full stop, backtrack, lead the conversation away from it.
I notice how they all insist that they are totally different than all the gossipy bitches in the office. I work in an office that is mostly women; its terrible. I have to fight myself to keep out of their vortex of gossip.
30years 10y ago
Makes sense.
updown667 10y ago
To validate their own thoughts and opinions
[deleted] 10y ago
Off the top of my head, happy to expand if anyone wants explanation of a point:
Emotional Validation (also disguised as moral and intellectual validation)
Peer Bonding (talking about your wonderful relationship with the dissatisfied will lead to peer rejection, gaining the most sympathy gets you the most attention)
Habit (they start trashing other girls on the playground, it only moves on from there)
Immaturity (I know I bitched about how unfair my parents were when I was a teenager, I grew out of it when I saw that it resulted in the contempt of older guys I respected)
yoursisterlovedick 10y ago
Women also tend to analyze other people and social situations more than men do. Bitching about their husbands is a way of doing that. It's not necessarily because of lack of love for him - girls complain a lot about asshole boyfriends, something nice guys often misinterpret as lack of love and that she need a good guy like him.
iKill_eu 10y ago
I would ass that bitching that their man isn't good enough is a sign of standards and not "settling" for too low.
WhitePhillip 10y ago
Have you ever seen a bunch of guys sitting around bitching about their wives? Both sides are guilty of this. The more you're around someone the more opportunities you have to hate them. Even if you love them 99% of the time, you're gonna hate them at least 3 times a year.
I think for women it's kinda like when men bitch about how a sports team is going to shit. Even if I'm not a fan of your team, I still understand the sport and can relate. And lets be honest. Bitching about someone only proves you care about them. So let them bitch to all their cunt friends and blow out that hot air. Then when she comes home it'll be out of her system and she can go back to loving you.
TDCRedPill 10y ago
Actually, nah, I don't think I have. Complaints about marriage in general, sure, but I don't recall ever hearing 'Jessica did this, what a bitch.'
TRPstudent 10y ago
Yeah I don't either. Mostly I see guys revering their wives/girlfriends for silly shit. The only time I've seen this is when the woman their discussing is an ex.
bearpotato 10y ago
Analysis of pathetic people is like doing a molecular analysis of dog poo. There's a morbid fascination, but it's not useful or applicable information.
30years 10y ago
Except TRP analyzes behavior all of the time. For this behavior to be so consistent, it must have a payoff for the women involved.
[deleted] 10y ago
Predictable does not equal rational. TRP can help with learning what to expect. "Why" is a question often better not asked.
With that said, the answer is that women talk about the things they expect women to talk about. It's a self perpetuating cycle based on group identity reinforcement/ tribal bonding.
30years 10y ago
Good point.