I went MGTOW, bought property, bought toys, focused on my hobbies, got jacked, read philosophy, etc. Gave up on women completely though. Now after 7 years I realize complete isolation from women isn't healthy. I may be far too socially gone to get a real girlfriend, but I believe I can get laid. If the topic does come up, is it better to lie and say I've had some type of intimate relationship/s within the past few years?
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boy_named_su 5y ago
Her: "When did you last have sex?"
You: "You mean today?"
or "With a human?"
or "Tonight is my first time"
finally "A gentleman doesn't kiss and tell"
Stop answering bitches questions directly
resnine 5y ago
"I forgot" "I'm not sure"
Aesthetic_God__ 5y ago
This. This!
montana12345 5y ago
This. If they still ask I just ignore them and don't answer the question or steer it in another direction. If they keep annoy me I just flat out tell them that I don't care about their answer and that I won't tell them mine
1Pink1Stink 5y ago
I never understood this advice. Have you actually ever tried this on a woman? Unless they're stupid, they're going to notice you're avoiding the question and just narrow in on it even more.
This does not work unless you're writing TRP fantasy porn.
markinsinz7 5y ago
Every advice here boils down to :you being okay to walk away from a girl. She don't like you avoiding? She can fuck off.
If shes really getting into it. Lie the fuck out of it. Be like yeah I was a bit of hoe." Theres girls I slept with that I'm not proud of and others that have been wonderful memories." Done. Don't act proud just be like I've made mistakes but I've grown a lot. She'll be able to relate to that 100%.
Most of these girls really aren't worth shit mate seriously, if only you knew how dirty they are.
Now on to a bit of a AHA moment as to why her pestering happens so you can better deal with it during the course of an ltr.
Reverse the situation.
Remember your BP instincts that probably come up every now and then, when you find yourself a beautiful & innocent looking girl with a wonderful personality and then YOUR hamster goes yea I'd date this one she'll make a great gf and she probably doesn't go home with just anyone and minutes later you see the town's biggest douchebag walking out of the bar with her. And then your like fuck she's a slooot.
Fuck can't believe I fell for that again.
See you didn't really know 1 damn thing about her but your mind attributed all these positive qualities to her because it was attracted to her.
Similarly when she gets ATTRACTED TO YOU she starts attributing positive qualities like "he's probably a slayer, all other girls must like him blackberry bla". Yet for all we know you could be like our OP. Jacked solid finances with no sex in 7 years.
She starts asking questions when she sees leaks in your frame or doesn't see other girls coming onto you and now she needs some evidence to confirm her initial hamstering.
SIMILARLY how you start discovering info about your not-so innocent gf is known by the entire football team or when you see her flirt with every guy at the bar and you start asking questions her avoiding leads to more questions and your gut feels something ain't right.
The point here being when she's into you there's a shit ton that you can get away with. So lie.
As it is bitches are lying to you on the daily. During your initial fwb stages you might have 3 girls and feel like a king but the hottest girl your fucking has like 5 plates. You wouldn't really ever know.
Lie when it furthers your position her hamster will do most of the work for you anyway and never worry whether she leaves or stays for the glass is already broken.
nicethingyoucanthave 5y ago
A joke answer doesn't even really count as a lie. Just go overboard and answer in a way that it's obvious you're not serious. "What do you do?" I'm the president of Bolivia.
Alternately, you can pretend you didn't understand the question. One of my favorites, if a girl is a brunette: "what do you do?" Mostly blondes but there's something about you that really drew me in.
boy_named_su 5y ago
Cool, bro
Yes, I have, and it works. Look at my response downwards if they persist
I'm elchief from chateau heartiste, not some fucking noob
nicethingyoucanthave 5y ago
What you're describing is just basic flirting, and it cracks me up that other guy is acting like he can't believe it works.
As a general rule, if you can think of a joke (assuming you're funny) that is always a better alternative than giving a straight answer when you're trying to pick up a girl. Why? It's simple: they don't really want to interrogate you - they don't actually enjoy the process of vetting you as a beta provider (which is what you are if you answer all their questions correctly). They want to have fun and be led around by their feelings.
This doesn't mean you shouldn't ever be serious. For example, talking honestly about something you're really passionate about is a great way to build attraction. It also doesn't mean you should force it - if you're not quick on your feet or just not funny, then maybe this advice isn't for you. But as a general rule, funny is better than serious and the job interview questions (where did you go to school, what do you do) should be skipped if possible.
As for the OP, in practice, no girl is going to ask you when you last got laid. If she's attracted to you then she'll assume other women are attracted to you and she'll assume you're getting laid as much as she is. If she's not attracted to you then she doesn't care. As long as you don't volunteer that info, it's nothing to worry about.
CalmPassenger 5y ago
For me when I try to answer like this they'll always laugh and then say "but seriously" and no matter what I say they won't stop asking until I give them a literal answer. What can you do when that happens?
SauliusTRP 5y ago
You can flip script and say „I‘m. pretty sure my coint is lower than yours“ and watch how hard she works to tell you that she isn’t a sloot. If that doesn’t work, hit her up with „i don’t discuss that“ like the guy above already said
ZeroDeltaZero 5y ago
Key is that you play them, deliver your answers on a flirtatious way, with a slight smile. Even if you tell them the truth, they will not believe you.
But make sure, you never go serious, never leave this frame. Thus make sure that you are not insecure about this, it does not matter, it's not important. She will react on your emotional state, so fix this.
You can also go for the exaggeration, this way it matches your inner state more. But again, never be serious, always flirtatious. Then, you say, I am a vergin, are you that special person? And then ask a question to qualify them.
But remember, this is all about how you feel, because that is what she will feel, woman are so much better at picking up emotional state.
borka3000 5y ago
Enough
forsaken_in_the_dark 5y ago
Broken record, fogging and then soft next if persists. If she is still a pain, then it is a hard next.
resnine 5y ago
Cause you are a NiceGuy and they know it's not congruent with your personality. It's all within context. They know what they can get away with with each guy. Some dudes just say it smoothly, you aren't the right mix/combination to pull it off.
CalmPassenger 5y ago
Oh okay thanks lol
boy_named_su 5y ago
it's called holding frame, bro
say "seriously, i don't discuss that"
and if they persist, open the door, and say "nice to meet you"
be like the white house press guy on tv...never answer questions you don't want to answer
resnine 5y ago
White house press guy indeed. They answer a question with another question or just completely skirt over the question like some sort of verbal acrobatics. Listen to congressional hearings... those dudes play every card in the book to not answer a question.
jackandjill22 5y ago
That's a great analogy.
250kcal 5y ago
??? why do this?
When you can just pressure flip in a joking tone and still get laid: "You are kind of a creep huh?" and pull her in for a kiss. ez pz question avoided mood is still light.
boy_named_su 5y ago
I mean, only if they are being an absolute cunt about it, and not letting it drop, after many deflections
250kcal 5y ago
Ah, I've never had that get so far. If they start showing their bitchy side or I get tired of the shit-tests I just escalate physically that slows their mood down, this can go bad rarely but it's easier then trying to navigate the shit-test maze and sometimes I just cba you know lol.
mrpoopistan 5y ago
If you're at the point where she's bringing up sex, you've missed a go signal somewhere.
wobbleelbbow 5y ago
Always better to lie when it comes to women and dating. They do not want full disclosure and that's not attractive to them no matter what they say "right now". In the long run they may use it against you.
QueenSlapFight 5y ago
I don't think I have ever told someone the last time I had sex. Who asks that?
Kurush559 5y ago
Exactly. And if they really did you can just respond "this morning" or whatever
Nergaal 5y ago
The answer should always be ENOUGH
Yashugan00 5y ago
yeah! you got JACKED !!! great to hear :) males me smile the personal efforts people make to change their lives around
alpha-zach 5y ago
Unlikely that it’ll come up. Especially if you are alpha enough. She’ll just assume. But if it does treat like a shit test. Ignore, AA, or pressure flip.
Even if you’d slept with hundreds of women over the last 7 years you’d do the same.
chazthundergut 5y ago
This.
Be vague and playful. I don't answer these questions honestly or directly either, and my n-count is high.
Women judge men on behavior primarily. Act cool, calm, and sure of yourself. If you can escalate with her while staying relaxed, she will assume you have a high n-count
Zanford 5y ago
Glance at your watch.
ghjklzxcv123 5y ago
You are a sick cunt, I will definitely use this.
hazelstein 5y ago
broski I always do that LOL!
Zanford 5y ago
Game recognizes game.
resnine 5y ago
Don't say shit about it. If she asks don't answer anything directly, just amused mastery, skip around it. No good can come from you telling her you haven't had sex in 7 years.
AscensionExperiments 5y ago
yeah definitely lie about it lol
For reference, a girl asked who I wasn't trying to game so I answered honestly 4 months and she thought THAT was a long time
7 years will disqualify you completely
VasiliyZaitzev 5y ago
Her: "When did you last have sex?"
You: "What time is it?"
-ThePathIsTheGoal- 5y ago
Always agree and amplify first with non serious answers as someone else pointed out. When she inevitably keeps on poking and prodding, just say “I don’t discuss past relationships/hookups/girls in general out of respect for their privacy”
I mean, if she has a problem with this answer, then it’s really her cross to bear. How can she not understand you wanting to respect the privacy of past women? (even if it’s a lie).
I’ve used this numerous times and it’s worked very successfully in defusing their poking and prodding. It also maintains mystery on your end. Hope this helps.
resnine 5y ago
Good point. It's not even the sex part that would be important to a woman, it's the whole not being in a relationship for 7 fuckin years... that's going to bring up an immediate redflag to any women OP is with. Definetely ignore and use a "I don't kiss and tell/discuss those things for respect". Real question is why the fuck hasn't OP been in a relationship for 7 years? it isn't just goin' MGTOW that's just a copout excuse for some deeper developmental problem.
Wjourney 5y ago
The truth comes out eventually, theres no point in lying. At the same time, I see no reason why the conversation would go there in the first place if you don't want it to. The less she knows, the better.
TRP8myfeels 5y ago
I certainly do not suggest talking about your sex life with women you hardly know.
WalterBlackPC 5y ago
" Now after 7 years I realize complete isolation from women isn't healthy"
7 years eh. 7 years to realize THAT.
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To Irish, this guy just wasn't worth any further effort .
BurnoutRS 5y ago
"I may be far to socially gone to get a girlfriend"
self diagnosis complete
enacting self fulfilling inadequacy prophecy in 5,4,3...
Nov51605 5y ago
watch Alpha Male Strategies on youtube - most of his stuff is 100% consistent with the sidebar.If they ask, just say that you've been dating on & off , some serious, some not, and leave it real general.
goodboy3245 5y ago
yes. I am a virgin. And I think next time a female ask me, I am going to straight away lie that I have been getting laid quite frequently until recently. By the time she'd figure out that I am a virgin, i wud have already lost it. Lol
Filmguy000 5y ago
Just say that you always had a tendency to have sex with men. And that you want to see what all the fuss is about among the straight dudes.
I'm kidding, don't do that. Unless you're one of those queer club rats that shaves their head, wears fur and paints their nails black and calls everyone "girl" or "honey".
Aroundwork 5y ago
Freddie Mercury made it work, you see that bitch he had early in the movie?
insidedynamite 5y ago
Keep your cards to your chest the less she knows the better chance you got. You can tell her some truth only after you’ve been together for a few years.
DramaEmperor 5y ago
Iron Rule of Tomassi #8 / Always let a woman figure out why she wont ƒuck you, never do it for her.
Greek-God-Brody 5y ago
Just fuckin' lol telling that to a guy who hasn't gotten laid in 7 years
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
This is good advice. As a guy we know our own weaknesses and flaws, own insecurities. All too often we assume everyone else does too. People don’t, especially people we just met
Yashugan00 5y ago
so awesome people still quoting the iron rules. it serves me well
DerpJungler 5y ago
The iron rules of Rolo Tomassi should be the first thing a male reads when he starts his journey through TRP
Bigdoggg323 5y ago
What does this even mean
Gordon-G 5y ago
Similar to what Napoleon said about interfering with an enemy as they self destruct
DramaEmperor 5y ago
Don't trouble your pretty little head about it.
ppanthero 5y ago
You can always say stupid shit that turns her off. "I am a virgin", "I am socially awkward", "I am nervous in your presence", "I like to poop in my cat's toilet"... But why would you do that? If a girl wants to find a reason why she won't sleep with you, she will find it anyhow. But don't rub it under her nose.
ahackercalled4chan 5y ago
don't shoot yourself in the foot by saying too much.
CalmPassenger 5y ago
What if they ask a bunch of questions? How do you answer them?
resnine 5y ago
You are the driver not the passenger.
Haki_User 5y ago
second-last-mohican 5y ago
Be aloof, and flip the questions around. turn a question into a question.
Truedemocracy4 5y ago
Not directly. But not like you’re hiding something. Have to master banter my friend
Project_Zero_Betas 5y ago
Like guys who chat up a girl and then for some bizarre reason ask if they have a boyfriend. See it all the time in this sub.
empatheticapathetic 5y ago
If a girl likes you she'll lie by omission/avoid the question.
LogicalOlive 5y ago
A better way of thinking this is that she’ll forget her boyfriend
1Pink1Stink 5y ago
not always
boredathome19 5y ago
Correct, but then you'll find out when you escalate anyway. Asking for her boyfriend brings you nothing.
empatheticapathetic 5y ago
You’re right. But it’s something that can happen if she thinks it’ll be an obstacle for you or if she can’t handle the overt reality of cheating.
Atheist_Utopia 5y ago
Ok what if she says she does? Treating it as a shit-test doesn't work unless her body language tells otherwise.
resnine 5y ago
her actions... not her words. Had a girl tell me she had a bf, the next day we went on a date...
Atheist_Utopia 5y ago
Yeah me too, and she rejected my kiss because of it. She really did have a boyfriend, even showed me a pic of him and her.
resnine 5y ago
Dey so cray
thrwy75479 5y ago
Bang a hooker.
That way you don't have to lie, and you'll appear less needy.
KaiSmashSmashSawmash 5y ago
Cheap hookers on grindr
Project_Zero_Betas 5y ago
LMFAO
juggernaut8 5y ago
Yeah. OP, if it's such a big deal to you (and it obviously is) just do this and get it over with.
resnine 5y ago
Why is it so difficult for OP to Game tho is the real quesiton
UsernameIWontRegret 5y ago
Lost my virginity to a prostitute.
No regrets.
Just be sure not to get addicted as paying for premium pussy can become very addicting.
BlkLeatherCouchActor 5y ago
OPs mom wasn’t that expensive.
WeddingCrasher91 5y ago
Damn these model escorts I am fucking....... Best lays i will ever get
thrwy75479 5y ago
Do you use agencies, or the independent girls?
WeddingCrasher91 5y ago
https://www.bahrainescorts.com/
Haki_User 5y ago
Well the thing is that women never want full disclosure. She wants to keep guessing and wondering herself. Never shoot out a straight answer and by the way telling a woman that you haven't gotten laid in 7 years is like a 40 year old telling his date he's a virgin. You see women want to fuck a man other women want to fuck. Now you are not going to explain to her that you haven't gotten laid because of MGTOW of course because even if you did it will sound like a fuckup covering. Instead say something like "I don't know, yesteryday, last week, do you like take notes of everytime you have sex or something?"
resnine 5y ago
Her: "Why haven't you been laid in 7 years?!"
Him: "Went MGTOW baby"
Her: ….
I'm sure that will play out quite nicely for OP
At least going trp is like "I'm working on it but not there yet/still in the works/making progress everyday"
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eightandsix 5y ago
Oh lol, since when do women actually want or are entitled to being told the truth?
TropicFresh 5y ago
I doubt she'd ask you, she wouldn't want you to ask her.
rambler429 5y ago
Make something up. How the fuck is she gonna know if you're lying or not? Does she want a list of people you've had sex with? No.
You people overthink this shit. FFS.
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alucard1uk 5y ago
If the topic comes up " have a guess? ;) " let her hamster do the work, not you. Don't shoot your self in the foot and at the end of the day its none of her business.
embracingtheredpill 5y ago
Read dry spell on rational male
monsieurhire2 5y ago
Dude, if you're that concerned about it, go find a pro.
Also, if you don't want to go that route, just doll yourself up and present yourself as a "man of property" and lay out some beta bait for some post-wall sloots who think they can get you to wife them up. I mean, it's just as bad as prostitution, but it's more socially acceptable, because you can then plausibly deny that you were just using them, because you just weren't "feeling it" after a few months, and just didn't think you two were "compatible" blah blah blah. Girls do it to guys all the time.
_Anarchon_ 5y ago
Going MGTOW isn't synonymous with becoming celibate. It's just about protecting yourself. Don't get married. Don't have children. Still bang chicks...still MGTOW.
forsaken_in_the_dark 5y ago
You need to pass the genes.
_Anarchon_ 5y ago
Nah. All men are born with the proper genes. The emasculation that is occurring is environmental.
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Besides, the world is overpopulated.
forsaken_in_the_dark 5y ago
I meant that you need to pass _your_ genes.
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I agree that the world is overpopulated though, but that's socialism to blame.
_Anarchon_ 5y ago
I appreciate the complement. And, I must admit, there are some things I regret about not having children. But, with the way society and the government currently are, and where things are heading, I think it would cruel to raise children in such an environment.
resnine 5y ago
MGTOW is just incels pretending they had a choice...
_Anarchon_ 5y ago
I'm MGTOW. My n-count is up there, and still can and do get laid any time I want.
resnine 5y ago
Right, but the great majority just fuckin give up. Are fat short bald losers that aren't doing what needs to be done to improve and then go on their woman-hating rants.
_Anarchon_ 5y ago
To be fair, western women have changed as well. Just as western men have become loathsome, scared, emasculated creatures, women have forsaken having any amount of class, or thoughts of being demure ladies deserving of the treatment they pretend to want. It's fucked up all around.
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Incels/black pillers refuse to accept responsibility for themselves, which is self destructive. Red pillers claim AWALT bullshit to ignore their emotional needs, which is self destructive. Blue pillers are beta cucks that encourage poor female behavior, which is self destructive. Women, lacking reason and impulse control themselves and from men, are increasingly embracing lives absent accountability, which is self destructive.
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Women can actually be both good and happy when they are submissive to a dominant, responsible, reasonable, man that acknowledges his need for emotional support. But we men like that are becoming rare. I don't think there's a pill color for us.
And, the government no longer allows us to be that, even if we were again plentiful. The only thing that will set things back to being right is a lack of government, and letting nature bitchslap us all back into the roles we were literally built for.
randomTATRP 5y ago
Wow. Great comment.
_Anarchon_ 5y ago
Thank you, sir.
sircomeseyesd 5y ago
If for some reason she asks go with "I dont kiss and tell" With feigned indignation or a slight smirk.
gunsliquorstrippers 5y ago
How do you get jacked, buy toys, and invest in yourself and not naturally attract women? Or did you purposefully avoid them? (Gay)
resnine 5y ago
Guy said he was socially withdrawn. So his frame and confidence is in the hole.
masterpiece00 5y ago
This wasn't about the question, it was a facebook post showing off his lifestyle he thinks he has.
conqueringbetas 5y ago
Obviously an incel lying
wobbleelbbow 5y ago
that's exactly how it sounds to me too. He got laid once and then couldn't do it again so he went MGTOW and now wants his wasted time back
second-last-mohican 5y ago
Be interesting to know his age.. he better not be under 30
rexchan91 5y ago
Iron Rule of Tomassi # 2
NEVER, under pain of death, honestly or dishonestly reveal the number of women you’ve slept with or explain any detail of your sexual experiences with them to a current lover.
https://therationalmale.com/2011/11/22/youve-been-with-how-many-girls/
Read this for reference
FereallyRed 5y ago
You're funny.
You won't have to talk to her at all because she'll be glued to the ceiling by your semen eruption.
omega_dawg93 5y ago
ignore the question, lie if you have to, but do not give names of past women or the duration you went without sex.
women always have dick available; they have a natural abundance mindset. if you can't get laid, she's gonna hold that against you.
now if you were in prison and said, "i wasn't fucking bc i was in the clink," she will prolly get turned on-depending on the crime.
RaughKee 5y ago
I don't think this has ever come up on this early. You're overthinking things. Very few women will press for details of your life in the beginning. If you keep seeing someone then it is only natural for her to start to ask about your past, don't be an evasive weirdo just answer with something that is truthful and vague; "there hasn't been anyone special in the past 7 years."
MotiMorphosys 5y ago
I've been on quite a lot of dates in the past two years and "when were you last laid" was never a question that came up. It's a non-issue. Proceed.
livear 5y ago
If you haven't had a job in 7 years, should you lie to your employers when you start working again?
batfish55 5y ago
You think she's not lying to you? You think that's her real hair? Real tits? Not wearing makeup?
If she only dates doctors, POOF, you're a doctor.
PliskinRed 5y ago
I'm gonna go against the inevitable grain and say this is a slam dunk if you have the balls.
Own it.
Say you haven't FUCKED in 7 years and just shrug it off like it nothing.
As long as your frame shows that you didn't WANT to fuck not that you couldn't fuck because you're some loser or whatever.
Hell laugh about it. Say that women were a bore and pussy was always the same... you DECIDED you had better shit to do. Tell her half truths... whatever you want.. Say you were building shit, working on projects, hobbies, investing, studying philosophy, working on your body and mind.
No need to get too cocky about it, just play it off cool. She'll be intrigued and the conversation will immediately become highly sexual.
You could add "....so don't think you're getting any tonight." or something along those lines with a smirk.
I once did the whole NoFap thing for 115 days and holy shit did it get me laid!
Test your mettle. Own it.
resnine 5y ago
NoFap is a placebo. And your advice might work but that shit could more likely backfire and she'd think there is something wrong with a guy not getting sex in 7 years. Guys frame is probably a wreck too, he said in his post that he might be too socially withdrawn for a real relationship, that's not going to translate to a solid frame. He just needs to ignore and skip around the question.
PliskinRed 5y ago
I didn't mean that NoFap got me laid directly. I meant that talking about it (not cumming for extended periods of time through choice) got a lot of women sexually interested.
resnine 5y ago
You actually told them you hadn't fapped for 100 days or something? I'm dyin'
jaw8625 5y ago
haha I've had similar results. They really love it when they know you haven't cum since the last time they saw you. I used to get so horny when nofapping that just getting texts from a plate would get my dick leaking. I would tell them this and they loved it
Aesthetic_God__ 5y ago
Lol yes
Typical mystery method stuff.
Project_Zero_Betas 5y ago
Why has it been that long? Only logical reason I could think of is other high quality girls know a psychotic stalker whose vcard is still intact would appear the second they made a serious move on you and were thus threatened by the "competition." What's your excuse?
winjaturta 5y ago
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Maybe im stupid but I read this like 5 times and can't understand what youre saying.
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resnine 5y ago
Haha same. Wtf that sentence was worded strange af or something.. didn't make any sense.
Project_Zero_Betas 5y ago
It makes sense on the 6th
Imtoosexyformypants 5y ago
He’s not even lying, 6 times
Bleu_Cheese_Pursuits 5y ago
He said he went MGTOW.
Project_Zero_Betas 5y ago
Oh okay for a moment I thought maybe he was a homosexual
resnine 5y ago
What a copout excuse...
Bleu_Cheese_Pursuits 5y ago
What kind of answer would you have preferred?
resnine 5y ago
I'm sayin OP is, going MGTOW has become a blanket term for simply giving up.
Bleu_Cheese_Pursuits 5y ago
You may choose to use it as such. But to do so is ignorance/misinformation on the scale of feminazis who decry theredpill as misogynist, sexist, etc.
resnine 5y ago
Difference is I was actually MGTOW and read/listened/watched lots of their material to understand it.