Last time I was discussing relationships with my two friends and my brother. I'd consider all of them to be more on the conservative side and definitely anti-feminist. But as soon as I stated that men and women aren't equal and shouldn't be held to equal standards when it comes to sex and dating and also disproved the ”soul mate” myth, they literally became violent with me. I've never experienced anything like that in my life, they turned from Normal to violent leftist mob in a matter of seconds. They wouldn't listen, said I was brainwashed and stupid for reading all these books (the rational male for example).
Is there anything one can do to change their minds, or are they already completely brainwashed? What are your thoughts?
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Law 38: Think as you like, but behave like others
Also a great quote from the movie where arguably The Red Pill got it's namesake:
"The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it." - Morpheus
SirKolbath 5y ago
Stop talking about this shit. This is fight club.
How would you feel if someone who has barely done anything in their life started telling you that you’re living your life wrong and need to change your entire mindset? Especially when you have the media, academia, and most publications telling you the exact opposite?
You can’t save them. They can only save themselves. Now stop talking about this shit.
14Maverick 5y ago
Never considered it from a status angle before but this a real eye opener on how we're perceived in that regard.
AdviceMaster1412 5y ago
They need to be broken down to be built back up. You don't completely change your belief on society for fun... You do it because you have to.
gulag_disco 5y ago
First, your friends and brother are mobbish to a degree that is beyond respect. Fuck belonging to a pack if the members are prone to hysteria over a conversation.
These earnest The Matrix and Fight Club references reek of a desire to belong to a secret society. The only reason that RP has reached as many men as it has is that the ideas rhyme with existing tropes in the mainstream consciousness:
BetaBux: “Golddigging/Golddigger”
Orbiter: “NiceGuy”
Alpha Widow: “Spinster”
We have a new glossary, but not a new set of ideas. Most men resent Feminine rule of the Sexual Marketplace. Most women speak RP openly whilewhile simultaneously being Feminist.
Don’t reveal your source material unless you have enough influence in your circles to gain trust with other men. If you, however, live an RP aware life, other men will naturally seek your advice.
Glennus626 5y ago
You can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him drink
DM112090 5y ago
Not your monkeys, not your circus.
BadBoyProgrammer 5y ago
Speaking is silver. Silence is gold.
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Do not talk about The Red Pill.
When others talk about relationships and sex just smile and nod.
CKDubs 5y ago
But wouldn't you want all men to be able to have this line of thinking. I know at the end of the day there's gonna be some beta guys out there but wouldn't changing the way most men think about this stuff be for the benefit of everyone?
Thrawy128 5y ago
What are you meant to say when you friend asks you "How do you do it man?"
luvmojo 5y ago
I tell them, they scoff, and then they carry on acting like betas and never getting laid. Then a month later the cycle continues. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. More pussy for us ????
Kevin19Fish 5y ago
Close friends are the exception. Tell them. Just don't bring up "alpha fux and beta bux" in the office break room.
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Just be honest where you see they could improve. Really that simple. Lmao.
The-Devilz-Advocate 5y ago
3 problems:
First step: How do you believe something that goes against everything you have been taught, supplied and constantly shown to you?
Second Step: Why would you unplug yourself of that belief when the person that is telling you to do it, also says that it's harder than what you used to believe?
Third step: How do you find acceptance on your now adopted belief when it is harder, more cruel and not all sunshine and rainbows like your past belief?
14Maverick 5y ago
Almost like a defense mechanism for them to turn away from opening their eyes. They don't want the burdens and responsibilities that come with it.
ethreax 5y ago
People don’t want to hear the truth because they don’t want their illusions destyed
send_it_for_the_boys 5y ago
Truth right here, I was reading a sub in here called dating advice, and a guy had told his situation and asked for advice and was stating how he was realizing being the “nice guy” wasn’t working for him. I gave him a little truth and good solid advice, his situation was simple to get out of if he would have applied TRP but I was banned from ever posting there again. I replied to them why and they fed me some bullshit “we don’t tolerate people giving advice that can’t backed up to be true” and blocked me. Just for the record Never once did I mention TRP or any of the metaphors. It just goes to show another example on how reliant on left feminist the world is becoming.
TonytheNetworker 5y ago
So much this.
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This.
Most people prefer a comfy blue bill to the truth. That’s the world. And what you consider to be “truth,” they will crucify you for.
Peter_B_Long 5y ago
2 reasons:
a: TRP is the hard way. TRP takes work. Believing that your "soul mate" is just going to pop up on her own is much easier than believing that there is no one, and that we have to actually try to approach and meet women, plate them, and then maybe LTR them but still know that one day things won't work out and then you move on. People don't want to work for what they want, so if there's any possibility that that want will just fall out of the sky one day, then our brains will choose to believe it, even though there's no tangible reason to believe it, we still do.
b: They're just brainwashed and manipulated, like how we all were. Some of stumbled across TRP with an open mind and fortunately linked with the teachings. Some of us were so deep in rock bottom that any sort of "help" or "change" that we could find we'd give a shot because the blue pill life is failing us.
I remember how I found this sub. I was focused on self improvement. I'd began my journey when I was on the forums on bodybuilding.com and somebody was talking about the benefits of NoFap. I laughed, but was slightly curious. I thought I'd do just a quick google search. A few hours in and I realized that maybe watching porn every. single. night. and fapping multiple times a day wasn't helping me. A few months now on NoFap and I see some guys laughing at a subreddit called The Red Pill. The Red Pill? What is that? These guys are laughing, I want to laugh too, I'm going to see what this page is. A few minutes in and I'm already reading the sidebar trying to figure out wtf I just found. The rest is history.
My point is, every guy "unplugs" at their own pace, on their own terms. Most never even unplug at all. If you were to have told me some of TRP truths when I was in high school I would've laughed at you or (like your friends), reacted violently. There was this ChadAF guy in my friends group in high school. He had a hot ass girlfriend (in a different school), and he also spun plates and literally didn't give a fuck. I remember one time we were in class and he asked the teacher if he could go to the restroom. 30 minutes passed and he comes back with a fucking pizza. This dude dead ass snuck out of school, drove his car to a pizza place, ordered a pizza, and snuck it back in to the school. All the teacher did was give him a look (like a "seriously?") and then just let it pass. Everybody was like "no fucking way!" Anyways, I was very jealous of this guy but still hung with him cause he was just that guy you wanted to be around. I was jealous that he had a hot ass girlfriend, I was mad that he would cheat on her, I was mad that he was fucking the same girl I was fucking and trying to make my girlfriend. This one time this girl (that I really wanted to bang) was walking by our spot in school and he started calling her a fucking slut in front of everyone. She looked towards us and then put her head down and kept walking. I was her orbiter so she told me what happened. Turns out he was fucking her but then she wanted to end things with him because he had a girlfriend and she didn't want people to find out and think that she was a slut. So his response was to call her a slut in front of everyone. Fucking brutal.
DVidojkovic 5y ago
I'm trying my hardest not to give advice to friends irl, even when I'm not asked for it when something TRP related comes up as a topic - even though I'm 2 months into TRP.
Don't even bother preaching, because you're going to waste breath and I doubt you'd open anyone's eyes. If you see acquaintances/friends not doing good with women, don't give advice. Don't stuff your nose in other people's business and focus on improving just yourself, and maybe close friends like someone else commented below.
Auxfite 5y ago
Never talk about red pill to outsiders. I’ve learned the hard way.
Out of 5 of my friends I’ve tried to convince only one of them understood and implemented RP in real life. It’s not even worth it
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volvostupidshit 5y ago
I don't want to sound like an elitist but I think the less people trying to swallow the pill the better it is for us. We do not want to have too many competition now, do we?
jeffwingersballs 5y ago
I don't know if that's necessarily a bad thing as it could shift society into having more attractive women and further ostracize feminist ideas that produce purple hair blimps.
MattyAnon Admin 5y ago
Men absolutely need to believe their soulmate-mommy could appear any second, right around the corner, ready and willing the second you "stop trying".
You destroyed their dream and everything they have worked towards thus far.
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Gooseypapa 5y ago
I'm gonna be reading that one once I finish reading "How to stop worrying and start living."Dale Carnegie is a fucking genius.
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lovs2spuge 5y ago
Even with some of my close friends this seems to be a waste. My one buddy in particular has everything in his life in order but is terribly blue pilled when it comes to women. He could pull some serious tail if only he’d realize girls don’t want a guy that takes things slow and wants to date them after 1 date, amongst other things.
Thizzlebot 5y ago
It's not your job to red pill people. Sometimes dropping nuggets of truth helps but overall don't even worry about it.
jcrpta 5y ago
My own brother's just as bad.
Morbidly obese, in his 30s and I don't think he's ever had a girlfriend - I wouldn't be enormously surprised if he was still a virgin. I think he's more-or-less given up on the idea of women - he has an excuse for every single aspect of his life that isn't perfect, and (surprise surprise) every single one of those excuses boil down to "it's not my fault and in any case I'm powerless to do anything about it".
His entire outlook on life - his identity, his very existence - is predicated on these ideas. If they crumble, he's basically got to admit that he's wasted the last 15 years or so. And so he defends them like a religious fanatic. The slightest hint of any opinion that might contradict this... oh dear God. Do NOT go there.
MeanCaregiver 5y ago
honestly dont waste time on others telling them about TRP cus one day theyll use it against you (ie jealousy)
Terdmuffin 5y ago
Trying to change other people's ideology isn't easy. That'd be like a Christian asking why is it so hard to make atheists believe? Or a republican asking why is it so hard to get democrats to become republican?
InformalCriticism 5y ago
Men are hard to convince when you're contradicting their lived experience, which is why so many red pilled men already have examples of the jargon, but never had words to describe it.
10points4gryffinddor 5y ago
2 words. Ego investment.
imtheoneimmortal 5y ago
For same way you aren't same mentality like your brother and friends
[deleted] 5y ago
Don't even bother. I made an attempt, and it made a buddy of mine feel VERY uncomfortable when I told him he needed to stop trying to 'befriend' every women he came in contact with.
TheBadGoy 5y ago
Because Conservative ≠ Redpilled, Western males have been perfectly brainwashed to discuss certain topics within a certain spectrum. Don't expect them to accept more "radical" ideas like "women are inferior to men" because their brains will immediately reject it
jwarner95 5y ago
Because we sound like fucking conspiracy theorists half the time. You can't teach others what their minds aren't willing to accept, it will just sound like bullshit to them. The only time I've been able to redpill other men was when we were all under the effects of hallucinogens because 1) I was explaining it all really well and 2) their minds were extremely open.
AshyLarry27 5y ago
TRP is very unorthodoxed, very radical thinking to the average person. It questions societal norms. Realize part of what motivates men to do what they do is just as much about attaining a mate. If you flip it upside down on them, of course they will throw a fit. The fact that they know you read these books is disturbing as well. Don't talk about TRP. If you need to, you have to do it VERY gradually.
TheStumblingWolf 5y ago
You can lead a horse to water but not force it to drink. Why would you even want to? Spend your energy on something more constructive. Lead by example, not force.
They became violent because their life is built around certain ideas. If you just come in and break those ideas (meaning them as a person) of course they're going to become violent. You don't just unplug people against their will.
Do your own thing.
jm51 5y ago
Part of a song lyric by Roy Harper:
*You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink
You can lead a man to slaughter but you cannot make him think*
randomcaqitaLization 5y ago
You can’t change someone’s mind.
You have to suggest your ideas using questions/statements they care about and make them think they changed their opinion themselves.