Update on what happened bro?

I cannot believe that all these dildos here are saying to next her. She is agreeing to Netflix and chill, and everybody here is cackling like a bunch of oldmaids about the '3 date rule'.

Shit. If you listen to them, you deserve to be incel.

4th date and you still haven't kissed. Youre a bitch in her eyes. Eject now. Cancel those pla s u had with her, delete her number and text thread, delete her off all your social media. Move on. This one is wasting your time. Go work on yourself some more and approach other girls.

You're an orbiter. A ticket for free food and entertainment. Next her.

I don't wanna be "that guy" but I'd use caution when dealing with a girl who is under 18, I know laws exist that allows adults to date underage girls but that is some major thin ice, especially if you have sex with her. Furthermore if she is still in high school her whole life existence is most likely very limited and she probably plays all kinds of drama games.

Lastly, dog, you have been in orbit, cancel the movie date, and tell her that you have to go to the gym, and then go to the gym.

I personally believe if she doesn't put out in 2-3 dates she's not into you

3 dates and not even a kiss is not good bro. Follow the three date rule.

It sounds like you're hamstering. You're rationalizing her behavior of why she hasn't slept with you. You can try to go on the date and seduce her, but I think she has already put you in the BP category. I would use this as a learning opportunity for why you need to be more assertive and ghost.

Overslept lol. You’re an orbiter.

Uhhh this is an easy one, next that girl

Call me a prude, but I'm 21 and my man this is the prime of our lives.

The focus of your life should be on your hustle, your mission, your vision, your grind to get to the lifestyle you dream of but with work can and WILL get to.

Girls are a distraction from that, which is fine, so is hanging out with the boys, watching some TV or a movie every now and then, listening to music, going to a concert, going to clubbing, going to the museum, travelling, etc

Make any one single of those things your purpose and oh boy are you in for a rough ride.

Now you might be wondering that I portrayed quite the slippery slope, which is fair, but I'm using this as a setup for my main point.

If it's been three dates and nothing physically tangible has come out of this, the investment you're putting into this one girl vs what you could be putting into your hustle is out of balance at the moment my friend.

HARD NEXT/IGNORE, if she hits you up you only make your appearance if it's to go to her place or for her to come to yours.

Salut

She fucked another guy when she "overslept". Whatever. Plenty of other girls out there. Where do u think you can improve on?

Hey you know astronaut John Glenn? Cuz you're an orbiter

She isn't interested, stop talking to her and see if she comes back.

Orbiting at 1,000,000,000km/hr.

You need to escalate as much as possible when she's over your place for the movie. Don't be a bitch about your intentions or "try and play it safe". Go get it.

If she declines, it's a hard next.

You're a beta orbiter. Suggest drinks at your place. It's been 3 dates (well 4 with her flaking) If she declines, that proves it.

Everyone is saying next, but she offered a reschedule. If she comes over escalate aggressive ly. If she still denies your advancements just tell her to leave. This is her last chance.

If she fakes tomorrow next and drop her completely.

Most of the comments on here are uniformly negative.

Let me give you an alternate explanation:

She doesn't want you to think she's a slut.

If she lets you touch her a bunch, that suggests she's not repulsed by your physical presence. Women that don't like you at all as a man will not want you to touch them, and they will signal it in a number of ways from saying "don't touch me" to acting repulsed when you, and / or pulling away, putting distance, etc.

When I was in high school, women typically waiting for at least 1 month before having sex. And that's if they liked you. Once they had sex with you, then if you were good in bed, the sex would last indefinitely until one or more of you got bored. Also, college destroyed relationships because people were usually brainwashed to be an individual, just like all their friends, and go off in different directions. But I digress.

Anyway, you made it to Date 4, and it sounds like you have the greenlight. Just assume the sale and proceed like she wants you. Make sure you two are alone and that there are no interruptions, and then escalate, but don't necessarily assume you will get laid and assume that if you don't, it's bad. But if you don't have a long steamy make-out session with lots of heavy petting, you should probably start the dread and move on to other women because it signals that even if she is into you a bit, she's not so much into you that she can be swept away by your attempts to arouse her.

Edit:

Also, your logistics... why are you trying to kiss her at the END of the date? You should try and get her somewhere and into a situation where she will feel comfortable making out with you, somewhere where you two can be alone together without interruption. When you try to kiss her at the end, it's expected, and she suddenly feels pressure. Also, tension has been building all evening. Kissing at the end of the date is also a sitcom cliche. You see it in the media all the time. It's predictable and boring. You signal that you lack imagination when you do stuff like this.

too many dates with no escalation, next her. also make sure you know your areas laws of consent if shes considered a minor where you live.

Lmao. I made out with 3 girls at the club last night, small venue too. I'm average looking but it's obvious I lift. All decent looking too. She clearly isn't interested, even girls who aren't interested in a second date hand out kisses like candy in my experience. She must really not respect you if no kiss yet, even then I'm personally not interested in prudes, there are too many women who want to be sexual out there to deal with stiffs. The answer is obvious - NEXT.

You're a prince, and the entertainment this time sucked, so you seek more.

Put your hand over the side of her neck and jaw and gentle pull her toward you so that its a mouth kiss. If she rejects it as this point - she's either very inexperienced and shy OR not interested.

First of all, there's a common three date rule. If they don't have sex with you past three dates SHES NOT WORTH IT. You are the prize, not her. She's WASTING your time. However, she is coming over to your place tomorrow. So in regards to your questions...

1. Escalate non-stop. Experiencing resistance, try again in another 5 minutes. As long as she doesn't leave, it's basically free reign to keep going. She's coming over to your place, great time to fuck her after wasting so much of your time...

2. If she doesn't do more than just a cheek. Have some fucking SELF-RESPECT, soft next her. Tell her IN-PERSON, this isn't working out, we should stop seeing each other. The end. Most girls want what they can't have, she might go a full 360 and want to fuck you if you do. BUT, you gotta handle it right.

When the next one wanders along, don't touch her hair until intimacy is established.